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- Name: Johanna
- Location: Brooklyn, NY, United States
Friday, May 27, 2005
Thursday, May 26, 2005
why do we hear so much about pigeons spreading diseases?
....because extermination and pesticide companies have a vested interest in spreading their own diseased propaganda.
London : While Paris Hilton was recently threatened with a fine for feeding pigeons in the famous Trafalgar Square (see link http://www.savethepigeons.org/) London "Councillors" continue their war on pigeons...recent internet posting...
May 26, 2005
new law proposed
A BY-LAW could be introduced stopping people from feeding wild birdsas Bridlington looks to tackle its pigeon problem.Councillors are also being asked to consider a cull of pigeons by poisoning them in a bid to clean up the town centre.
A pest control company has approached Bridlington Town Counciloffering to catch the pigeons using a bait which contains a sedativeand a fatal dose of poison.If the plan gets the go-ahead, the scheme will cost £500 for a year,which will be split between the council and the BridlingtonRegeneration Partnership.
Denise Cowling, town centre manager, said: "We got many complaintsin the One Stop Shop from people saying something needs to be done,and most of these complaints have been from residents rather thanvisitors."Pigeons are a public nuisance and they are a health problem. They are not particularly clean creatures and carry diseases."
You are never going to eradicate the problem completely and you arenever going to please everybody, but you can lessen the problem andit is better that we do something, rather than let the problem spiral out of control.
"I'm sure this is the most humane way."
A report was due to be presented to council's finance and generalpurposes committee at its meeting last night. It recommended that the council approaches property owners in the town centre to see if they would be willing to have a purpose-builtcage put on their roofs.
One of the traders who has been plagued by the pigeons is PeterSutton, owner of Just 4 Rooms in Chapel Street. He has bagged up around a quarter-of-a-ton of droppings from his roof and spent more than £1,000 clearing the mess. He believed a cull was the only way to get rid of the birds, but said too many people would ignore the proposed by-law banning people from feeding the birds.
He said: "People are still feeding them now."Someone is throwing them a large amount of grain on a regular basis. "I am an animal lover, but there is only one way around this problem."
A ban would be impossible, it's futile because there's no way you can stop people and day-trippers maybe wouldn't know about it. "It is affecting people's lives and busineses. "We pay rates and expect it to be taken seriously.
"If they had rats running about they would soon do something about it.
"The council has got to face up to its obligation to people like me."
Several other authorities have looked at different ways of reducing their pigeon population. The problem in Trafalgar Square in London has been tackled by hiringa hawk to scare off the birds, but this is believed to have costaround £130,000. The new Scottish Parliament building in Edinburgh has also been plagued by pigeons roosting on the rooftops.
Last month Leicester City Council introduced £50 fines to people who persistently feed pigeons in parks.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEND A NOTE OF SUPPORT TO THE PEOPLE IN LONDON WHO ARE TRYING TO FIND HUMANE SOLUTIONS TO LIVING WITH THESE WONDERFUL BIRDS, JUST GO TO http://www.savethepigeons.org/ WHERE YOU CAN FIND THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION AND OTHER WONDERFUL LINKS, INCLUDING A PIGEON SLIDESHOW....
Thursday, May 12, 2005
From: Clearfield, Johanna (IT)
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:53 AM
Subject: "Die pigeon Die!"
The article's link http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/people/columns/intelligencer/11968/index.html
I wondered if you noticed the eery resemblance between the photo of the tortured pigeon and those of other torture victims; most recently the victims of Abu Gharib -- not to mention the grisly photos that show up in post rape and kidnap cases. Corpses with duct tape over their eyes or other strange objects defiling their bodies. I am presuming you are aware of the multiple studies which have detailed the link between those who commit violent crimes against humans also having a history of committing these crimes against animals.
That really should be a no-brainer.
In addition, I personally am furious over the group-think division of animals divided into two categories: those who deserve to be respected and protected (cute, fuzzy, preferably on a leash) and those who do not (flying, free, crawilng free or sold for consumption).
None of us are free or safe as long as any living thing -- human or not -- can be so viciously (and hilariously?) destroyed.
Johanna Clearfield (out of the closet pigeon - lover)
Director, Urban Wildlife Coalition - NYC
Date: Mon May 9, 2005 8:41 pm
Subject: Torture book about pigeons is subject of NY Mag article pigeoncentral
Remove Author Ban Author
The A. V. Jones book that details and promotes torturing pigeons has
gotten the publicity many of us were afraid to bring to it if we had
written letters. Others of us - especially Zelda Penzel - did write.
Zelda did a great job.
The book is sold in humor sections. It's called Canceled Flight: 101
Tried and True Pigeon Killin' Methods by A.V. Jones.
What does it advocate? Ask yourself first if anyone ever kills a
pigeon without torturing it. Common, everyday methods: cage traps with
no water or food left on a roof. Poison of any type. Odd, but a small
scale slaughterhouse sounds a little kinder.
But the Jones book, which tries to pass as harmless to keep us off
their backs, says to roast pigeons on a spit, put kerosene on them on
a grill, cut them in half - that's more than enough. The NY Mag
article hides the hideous killing methods, as to speak of power abuse
is a taboo usually enforced in human society.
People who advocate torture are guilty of many tortures.
It's our turn. Please write letters.
The book's description at the distributor's site
See the link to the article below. If you write to New York Magazine,
this is the address: firstname.lastname@example.org
The distributor: Powerhouse Books.
The publisher: http://throckmortonpress.com
This site seems to be a dummy, but NY Mag says the publisher is Joel
Barnard. If anyone finds contact info, please send it to me.
Forward from Pigeon People
--- In PijnPeople@yahoogroups.com, "pidgekin"
The article's link is
Die, Pigeon, Die!
A new how-to book for bringing down those rats in the sky.
By Corrie Pikul
Pigeons are certainly a nuisance, but do they really deserve to die—
even facetiously? Joel Barnard, a 34-year-old advertising copywriter,
seems to think so. In fact, he decided to publish a book about how
best to kill them, called Canceled Flight.
The result: a collection of illustrations, paintings, and photographs
that depict 101 ways to kill pigeons, along with recipes for doing so
(like "The Aboriginal Assassination: 20–30 blowgun darts, 1 blowgun,
Although Barnard recruited various artists and designers to contribute
to it, including Dalek and Ryan McGinness, it was, he says, actually
edited by one A. V. Jones, whom he describes as president of People
for the Unethical Treatment of Pigeons—but who probably doesn't exist.
Bird lovers are not amused. Zelda Penzel, president of People for
Ending Animal Cruelty and Exploitation (PEACE), says she's exchanged
e-mails with the book's distributor, powerHouse, and Barnes & Noble
executives, noting that such joke books "only serve to reinforce
disrespect and ultimately `justifiable' violence towards the hated
But she doesn't care to give Barnard the satisfaction of a fight. In
fact, after powerHouse asked if it could quote her in a press release,
Penzel decided she didn't want to talk about the book anymore at all.
"This pigeon is dead in the water," she says. "Activists have better
things to do with their time."
Zelda wrote some good letters. She's right in there with us. What she
said was hardly repeated in the article. Later, she wondered if she
was giving the book too much publicity - just as most of us have.
It's now time for all of us to counteract what lots of people are
reading, to say in our own way how we feel and what we believe about
pigeons - all of which is based on facts. Publicity is the only way to
reach people. It's worth time standing in a bookstore looking through
the book. It's not what New York Mag wants us to believe but a lot
I'm writing a letter tonight. Please send yours in your own words. It
would be best if we write to other media besides New York Magazine and
post to other groups.
Pigeon People has a purpose: to show people pigeons are harmless,
sweet, part of our lives. To prevent harm to them. To protect as many
pigeons as we can affect at once. We're rescuers and rehabbers
supplementing the help we give to one bird at a time in order to help
as many as we can.
People who find a hurt mourning dove pick it up, take it in, and call
a rehabber. People who find a hurt pigeon will call and say 'Of course
i couldn't touch it' and leave it out on the sidewalk. Doves are doves
- same diseases. Actually, all birds transmit about the same diseases
to people: almost none.
--- End forwarded message ---
For people who don't know a lot about pigeons:
This article claims 'pigeons are certainly a nuisance,' and you might
agree. Search out the facts (we'll help you). What's really a problem
about pigeons? They temporarily discolor buildings. There's only one
good way to keep pigeons off of buildings - the most harmless,